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bobo
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 Posted - 03 Jul 2010 : 19:27:12
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| Life is not the same anymore I agree, and niether are the kids. We did not go around destroying things we respected people and property and respected what little we had |
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Christine Blakey
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Posted - 03 Jul 2010 : 19:39:09
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Useful points there! Especially those which see conflict between what crime is there and what we are told is not in community meetings and leaflets.
There are other parks around the north east at least which have not been destroyed. It is just about thinking and considering what happens after the build. Builders never seem to know how the theory works in practice.
Maybe it is about time, as is happening with Leebell that these builders do not just use our land for their own personal gain. They should be held to account for wasting time, building hopes up, creating fear etc.
HBC should ensure that builders are not just dancing to their own tune. we are buying the houses, we want to use the play park, we want to buy into a retirement village. A meeting long before the first spade was pictured (as I am sure it was a bit like the photo of Wynyard Hospital!) is no demonstration of consultation.
Those involved earlier should be ashamed of themselves for not thinking about how this cat and mouse planning system could potentially destroy a new dynamic community setting.
The divides in this estate seem to centre around planning so is that what they planned for Hartlepool; friction leaving people feeling totally deflated about the purchase of their dream on an executive estate? |
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Mike BC
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Posted - 03 Jul 2010 : 22:11:57
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Christine, what useful points? That we should have our kids playing in back alleys with the dog s*&t like th good old days? NoComment / Fraser never really contributes anything useful, it's all about him entertaining himself and feeling smug about how funny he thinks he is.
As for the location, I'm assuming the current proposed location was chosen (before the retirement village idea was conceived) because it is central to the estate, as opposed to one of the other mooted locations, ie the land next to Sainsbury's which couldn't be further from the likes of Fieldfare etc.
Nocomment / Fraser, I'm only hunfry because I'm on Weightw*tchers, nothing to do with my finances. |
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Christine Blakey
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Posted - 03 Jul 2010 : 22:21:28
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Hi Mike, the points relating to the great statistics in tackling crime in Hartlepool and the actual situation on the ground.
I can say I am pleased that Ins. Brown went to Hartfields and logged all of their crime concerns. I think this is better than hearing that it is all fine there when the residents are fed up of watching out for smoke coming up when the mini-motor lot go racing around the building site area. It is about doing something about it and ensuring that HBC and other partners are very clear that they need to support residents who feel threatened by young people riding illegally and causing danger.
The reason the park is set for the area at hartfields is as simple as that is where it is flattest! However, they did say that it could be moved but who would pay for it! I have offered to write up funding bids for matching money already achieved so that we get the best out of the park. Park section in HBC been really good including when I have reported any safety issues in parks I visit with my grandson.
Regardless of a delay in agreeing it's destination, I think we should keep on at them to get plans sorted as soon as possible. It is the least we deserve when being disappointed by all the the sales pitch and movement of monies outside of the estate! |
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Mike BC
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Posted - 04 Jul 2010 : 01:17:47
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| The 'who would pay for it' is the housebuilders being housebuilders in that a) they are tight as a you-know-what and b) they are lining up their excuses for non-delivery. It wouldn't cost them much to level out a sloping site, simple cut and fill excercise with the odd retaining structure where necessary (they are throwing these in all over the estate as most of the land is sloping). The answer, given the amount of cash they have raked in over the past 10+ years on this site, is of course that they (the housebuilders) should pay for it. For some reason HBC boxed themselves into a corner by allowing themselves to be pinned down to an amount of money to be spent on the play park when really it should be a case of x houses = a play area of x m2. |
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Mike BC
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Posted - 04 Jul 2010 : 18:33:49
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NoComment (6.07), you are of course free to skip over my easily forgotten / not worth bothering (in your not so humble opinion)with posts. I wouldn't go there with the typo criticism given the amount of boll%^s you drop in yours. Your comment re 'Hungry Hill' was surely a commetn on the finances of all BC residents wasn't it?
(6.32) is that always the case? Does every play area end up getting wrecked? I'm not so sure but it's probably more likely if it's positioned out of the way. |
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steveL
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Posted - 04 Jul 2010 : 23:13:00
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the one on the headland seems to stay in good nick
This 'Jewel in the Crown' of a posting was completed In Time for the Tall Ships |
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steveL
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Posted - 05 Jul 2010 : 01:50:05
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oh I agree. I think the headland one is a bit of a fluke
This 'Jewel in the Crown' of a posting was completed In Time for the Tall Ships |
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bobo
Occasional Contributor
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Posted - 07 Jul 2010 : 19:40:59
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| Christine just read about the fire down near Hartfields caused by unruly kids, these fires happen on a regular basis, bet the little blighters cant wait for that park so they can have something else to set fire to and distroy. On another note I heard someone got attaked in the bunker near to the bottom Hartfields a few weeks ago the place was swarming with police. |
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Christine Blakey
Frequent Contributor
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Posted - 07 Jul 2010 : 19:53:09
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Thanks bobo
Yes I am speaking with the fire and rescue service and the police. I hope to hold a meeting as I believe it is time to consider a real residents association for the family homes area of Middle Warren estate. I will also be ensuring that any new association works in partnership and in harmony with Hartfields Residents Association as it is an insult that they have been ignored so far.
Unlike the current Middle Warren Residents Association, the meeting and association would be open to everyone. I have written an email of concern regarding the current MWRA as I hear they are after more funding fabricating their bid as representative of this community. I have sent an email to HVDA and HBC.
I have told the fire service already that the petrol will be poured all over the park. I am also trying to speak to Leebell so that we can ensure that the park placement is not supported by overgrowth which the culprits hide in when they strike the matches or jump out of the digger.
I have yet to hear from the police but I understand they are busy. I have asked Hartfields RA if I can hold a meeting there so that people also get the chance to hear why residents currently feel disrespected and also like they are funding a community centre!
I believe it is important to look at these issues as soon as possible especially with the six weeks holidays coming up. |
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Tom
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Posted - 12 Jul 2010 : 13:00:06
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Well, the football's all over now and I must say it was painful watching most of it.
There is a meeting at Hatfields on Wednesday at 7pm where the newly formed committee will be introduced. Looking at the ten of them it's safe to sa there isn't a weak link among them and I expect the HRA to really get to grops with things. I understand that the HRA is nearing the 300 member mark, this surprised me when I was informed. I believe the committee is being stengthened by implimenting a two year stint in each position with the Chair, Secretary and Treasurer positions having backup by having Assistant positions. |
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Christine Blakey
Frequent Contributor
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Posted - 12 Jul 2010 : 14:35:21
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Well I hope Hartlepool Mail run a story on this as it really is an excellent example of democracy working well.
Tom I wonder if you could inform the resident from Hartfield and her friends that no ASBO has been given to Hartfield residents. I am pleased to hear this and want to ensure that the resident is reassured that an ASBO is not in place against her. I know she was upset and other residents were appalled regarding it. I don't know who told her she had one but it seems they were not correct.
Good luck for the meeting on Wednesday. |
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Tom
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Posted - 12 Jul 2010 : 15:50:06
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| Thankyou Christine, the Hartfields ASBO rumour is already dead and buried along with the instigators of it who are now being openly laughed at by most there. |
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Christine Blakey
Frequent Contributor
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Posted - 12 Jul 2010 : 16:42:47
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Wouldn't life be so much easier if everyone just told the truth!
Creating a rumour about an ABSO on an elderly resident is really cruel. It is also slamming the police for doing something unjust when they did not do anything in the first place!
Glad it has been resolved and I hope that people won't try a similar stint again.
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Tom
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Posted - 12 Jul 2010 : 17:02:00
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| I agree about not wanting it to happen again. It seems that someone got a letter of repremand from Hartfields over something trivial and that started the ball rolling re the ASBO. Anyway, if it was more than that I'm sure somebody will present their verifiable facts on the subject eh? |
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Hartfields Retirement Village Play Park?
