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ted
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 Posted - 21 Jun 2010 : 15:11:11
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Where are all the demands from our leaders to have all services transferred to North Tees brought back to Hartlepool? We have all been led a merry dance over the whole hospital issue; conned may be a better word. All I hear now is resignation that Hartlepool Hospital will now be closed in favour of North Tees.
All of the labourites in Hartlepool appear to have decided that there is more political capital in blaming the Tories than fighting for the interests of the people that they are supposed to represent. These are the same labourites that said that they would fight for the hospital before changing their minds when their Millbank Chiefs told them to - suddenly the 'state-of-the-art', 'world class' spin for a new hospital was in full flow. They all sat on their hands as service after service was transferred to North Tees.
So now there is to be no new hospital after all largley because there never was any money to pay for it and Hartlepool is on course to be the only major town in the North East not to have its own hospital.
Seems to me we have been very badly served by the people who are supposed to look after our interests. Drummond, as usual, is so far out of his depth that he probably farts bubbles; Iain Wright, as usual, puts his own interests before anything else putting all of his efforts into blaming the Tories; and as for Brash and his underlings - nothing as yet - obviously they haven't been told what to think yet. |
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johnny mac
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Posted - 21 Jun 2010 : 17:08:44
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| We did get a comment from cabinet member Ged Hall who said he was 'disappointed but not surprised' which wasn't very comforting. If said Ged and his fellow labour mates 'weren't surprised' then why did they allow, without protest, services to be transferred to North Tees? That they 'sat on their hands', as Ted puts it, now makes it far more difficult to get those services back and ensure the future of our own Hospital. |
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Mea Culpa
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Posted - 21 Jun 2010 : 18:40:36
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The Prince of Darkness runs the show and woe betide ANY smalltime labour councillor, or bottom of the greasy pole MP that fails to march to HIS tune.
He can make or break without conscience....ask Harry Blackwood. (A better editor than the girly we have in there now...that's why the Mail is all 'fashion' photos and cookery tips!).
That is why we have the vomit inducing scenario of mendacious Mandy as Freeman of the town....our labour lot wouldn't have dared to oppose him.
Even my mother ('I always vote labour')thinks he is a slimeball.
Correction; an exceedingly rich slimeball.
With over 30,000 signatures to keep Hartlepool Hospital open, why wasn't it kept open?
I believe it was because a number of people 'in power' stood to make money out of the building of a new hospital...allegedly.
Politicians? You can always tell when one is lying....the lips move! |
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angela
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Posted - 22 Jun 2010 : 11:41:59
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| North Tees is a nightmare to get to normally but even worse during early morning or tea-time and that's if you're lucky enough to have a car. Imagine if you haven't and live in the collieries or down the headland? |
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SRMoore
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Posted - 24 Jun 2010 : 13:56:03
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I'm pleased to read something other than the complete and utter drivvel that has been pumped out of the over worked Labour spin machine.
I agree wholeheartedly with Mea Culpa when he/she suggested that a number of people in power stood to make a lot of money out of this new hospital. I think it is a combination of this and the North Tees & Hartlepool NHS Trust having a pipedream one day about having a brand new all singing, all dancing hospital so they could line up with neighbouring trusts to play 'Who's is biggest'.
Why did the previous government and the NT&H Trust ask professor Darzi (at a large cost I would imagine) to make a review of hospital services in Hartlepool & Stockton if they had no intention of listening to a word he said?!
Lets look at what Prof Darzi conculded in a nutshell shall we? In fact why don't we use the exact words Wright used in his letter of resignation to Tony Blair when he was still pretending to care.
"The Darzi review mapped out a viable future for the hospitals of Hartlepool and North Tees.
Under the Darzi recommendations, the University Hospital of North Tees becomes the main centre north of the Tees for emergency surgery with expanded intensive care facilities and develops the North Tees Complex Surgical Centre.
The University Hospital of Hartlepool becomes a Centre of Excellence in Women's and Children's Services, including consultant-led maternity, planned gynaecology, breast surgery, emergency paediatric medical treatment and planned children's operations"
It was not long after this review that maternity services and the childrens ward were moved to Noth Tees making a complete and utter slap in the face to the people of Hartlepool and Prof Darzi.
I can only assume that once the trust or the government had decided to build this white elephant in Wynyard, the transfer of services from Hartlepool to North Tees was one not done out of financial reasons but to have the residents of Hartlepool used to traveling out of town for services. Once they had forced us to travel to Stockton for services, the lure of a new 'super hospital' closer to home in Wynyard would seem like they were doing us a favour, or so they had hoped.
As for our despicable Labour councillors, MP & "Independant" Mayor, I have not the time nor inclination to vent my disgust at present. As I wrote in yesterdays Mail and someone else pointed out in an earlier post, they are far too preoccupied with political point scoring and scaremongering to get their ar*e's into gear and start fighting to bring services back. Though I doubt they will do this as the closure of our Hospital will be good news for them, since they can then blame the Tories.
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Christine Blakey
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Posted - 24 Jun 2010 : 15:09:51
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A warm welcome to SRMoore and gratitude for a very insightful contribution.
In today's paper, please note that everything is going to be OK. They are going to lobby the coalition government hard to get the new hospital back on track.
I suggest that in order for the new government to make an informed choice, I will send them an email with a link to HTH? |
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SRMoore
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Posted - 24 Jun 2010 : 15:33:12
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Thanks Christine, I'm glad to have found somewhere to discuss these topics with like minded people. (My wife is getting fed up of it)
I have not had chance to read todays Mail yet, though they only seem to be making it plainly clear to everybody that they are completely out of touch with the people they are supposed to represent.
Given their track record on doing things correctly, we stand a good chance at lobbying against it.
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Mea Culpa
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Posted - 24 Jun 2010 : 16:25:44
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An excellent suggestion Christine, to send a link of HTH. What a showing up for the amateurs in HBC, as all of our complaints would be aired!
You could mention that out of a town of circa 85,000 people, over 30,000 voted to keep Hartlepool Hospital as the centre of excellence for Hartlepool and the surrounding South Durham areas.
I believe more people would have voted to keep us open but the organisers thought 30,000+ would have been a big enough indicator of the wishes of the people of Hartlepool.
Foolish them; it is the wishes of the labour party that counted, not the little people.
We need Cameron/Clegg to know that at £500 billion plus saved, they made the right decision and now all they have to do is simply bring back the children's ward staff and other services so duplicitously removed from our hospital.
We also need to start a campaign to have our inept mayors office removed altogether;
We don't need and can't afford it. (£54,000...that's just the tip of the iceberg; the on-costs of P.A., office and office staff will take his cost towards £100,000).
We managed before him, nothing has improved with him, so let's get rid, asap! |
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Mate_of_Wilf
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Posted - 24 Jun 2010 : 16:54:01
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| I know it won't be popular on HTH but I think Mayors are a good idea. Its not the Mayor System that is the problem, it's just the sad fact that the person Hartlepool voted into office that is not up to the job. However, that's democracy. The people of Hartlepool voted for a joke and re-elected him, twice, because they distrust and despise politicians and would rather have him than anyone else. Democracy is unfortunately a measure of popularity not competence. So I don't want to get rid of the mayoral system, I just want a mayor who knows hat to do. Of course the last thing the career bureaucrats want is a mayor who has ideas and the last thing the lib/lab/con want is mayor who isn't one of them. To the politicians and the bureaucrats a mayor like Drummond is actually just about perfect. |
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Christine Blakey
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Posted - 24 Jun 2010 : 17:22:00
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Class it as done!
I believe that government should be made aware of the concerns in this town. There is a lot more to come out.
I have sent information with a direct link to this thread. Let us hope that the government can now make an informed choice about what the residents in Hartlepool really think as they read the Hartlepool Mail and HTH? and what is actually going on?
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SRMoore
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Posted - 25 Jun 2010 : 01:15:47
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Well done Christine, who did you email?
I have finally finished writing to the Minister of Health. It feels like I've been at it for hours... Wait... I have! :o)
I have basically presented the case that whilst we are overjoyed with the decision to scrap the unwanted hospital in Wynyard, we now wish to see the recommendations put forward by Professor Darzi implemented in full. This would see the services I mentioned in my previous post return to Hartlepool and would give both hospitals a financially viable future whilst increasing efficiency within the trust.
I fail to see how anybody with COMMON SENSE can argue against this proposal. |
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Christine Blakey
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Posted - 25 Jun 2010 : 08:53:35
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Oh well done and the hours you spent on this is definitely appreciated. Maybe contact Johnny Mac and HTH will seek to upload your information and any response.
I sent the email to Prime Minister email on Number 10 website.
I will let people know if I get a reply. I put a link to this thread in it.
Like you, I would happily appreciate the hospital in it's new modern design but I feel the money invested in our very local hospital is gross waste that we cannot afford at present.
They should be lobbying for the services to be increased there as you point out SRMoore, maybe call it the Darzi Development Plan!
Simply demanding a brand new hospital outside of the town and detracting focus from the real issues for this town is not in Hartlepool's favour, it simply suits those who seek to get PR from it.
Unless we tackle the debt head on, we will sink deeper and deeper. I think people at the top don't know what it is like to fear your livelihood will go. Even with the state of the housing market and building industry, they still cannot see how bad our situation is!
Well they may do, but they are busy looking at ways to score political points to keep their feet on the ground and make sensible decisions to resolve it!
Pass the buck Politics is not the way forward. Joining together for the benefit of everyone not just the wealthy few is what is needed.
No matter what, HBC DO still waste money. Whether at a minor or major level, it is the culture of the council. It needs changing and fast!
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SRMoore
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Posted - 25 Jun 2010 : 09:45:03
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Good morning all.
Thank you for your suggestion Christine, I will try to get the correspondence uploaded when I can.
You are correct when you say that our hospital cannot be justified as a separate entity on the current levels of service it operates on. This, as we know, is because of the powers that be getting ahead of themselves and transferring service to North Tees.
The Darzi proposal makes complete and utter sense. How anybody can argue against it, without having something to gain from the construction of a new hospital, is completely beyond me. It should be plain as day to see and yet The Labour spin machine has, as usual, worked it's magic on a large number of residents who now believe that it'll be the new governments (though they will say the Tories) fault if the remaining services are pulled.
Anywho... When I said I had finished last night I kind of got sidetracked and created a new online petition to have the Darzi proposal implemented in full, which will see services returned to the town and act as a complete contradiction to what our council, MP & mayor are telling the country what the people of Hartlepool want.
The new petition can be found at http://www.gopetition.co.uk/online/37366.html
Please pass this on to as many people as possible. We will not stop at the 30,000 mark this time around.
For anybody who asks why the petition is being hosted on gopetition as opposed to the Number 10 website, No 10 are not accepting new petitions until they have chance to review the current system.
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Christine Blakey
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Posted - 25 Jun 2010 : 10:29:17
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Fabulous SRMoore!
A really good idea to allow local people to know the whole story not just one wing of it.
I will ensure that I promote this as much as I can. |
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steveL
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Posted - 25 Jun 2010 : 10:29:38
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The Darzi proposals were scrapped because part of that plan was to concentrate maternity services in Hartlepool. The people of Stockton objected to this and were supported by Stockton B.C. who, to be fair, were a lot more pro-active in supporting their own public than our own council.
Add into this that Frank Cook was rapidly becoming a liability as Stockton's labour M.P. (he was later de-selected) making Stockton North a potential marginal seat and you begin to see how political the whole hospital issue became.
In the run up to the election, Tory Candidate Alan Wright pledged to return services to Hartlepool Hospital but only if the Tories won the election AND the town returned him as Tory M.P making the pledge sound a lot more like a bribe than a policy.
Only the first came true (and that only just).
This 'Jewel in the Crown' of a posting was completed In Time for the Tall Ships |
Edited by - steveL on 25 Jun 2010 14:27:11 |
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