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MikeH
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 Posted - 28 Jul 2010 : 15:19:02
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The original question, as below also mentioned the South side as made out in bold and underlined just so you won't miss it this time
Signs at both ends of Marina Way say the road will be closed from 1pm till late during the Tall Ships, how are people supposed to do their shopping and will the stores be given compensation for loss of trade. Asda, Currys, Comet etc on the North side and Staples etc on the South side.
I wasn't on about the South side of the Marina but the South side of Marina Way where there is a number of shops as well as Springs fitness centre, as I mentioned in the first instance will these businesses be compensated for loss of trade.
(Politicians and nappies have one thing in common. They should both be changed regularly and for the same reason.) |
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no6bus
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Posted - 28 Jul 2010 : 15:24:53
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surely you have answered your own question
the roads will be closed from 1pm go to staples before 1pm
i am sure the pound stores in the shopping centre will have the same rubbish you want from the pound store on the marina and if you go to the 99p store you are pennies better off |
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Christine Blakey
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Posted - 28 Jul 2010 : 17:04:59
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Got to say I have been to events in Sunderland around the air show and including it and I had no problem. I was gob smacked at how accessible it was when a good friend of mine had booked her wedding during the air show!
Police were aware of us coming and got us through the crowds (by car)and back out again. My biggest issue is that Sunderland or Newcastle do not splash yellow lines all over the place and buy a countdown clock to mayhem!
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knowarramean
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Posted - 29 Jul 2010 : 14:07:48
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Secret Squirrel
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Posted - 29 Jul 2010 : 19:55:51
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Bring on the Tall Ships!!!
It can only be good for the town.
I have a small business and I'm welcoming the Tall Ships with open arms and an open till drawer.
They are coming!!! There's nothing anyone can do about it!! So let's embrace them, welcome them and enjoy them!!!
Let's show the rest of the country and the world what a wonderful "Quaint Little Fishing Village By The Sea" Hartlepool really is!!! |
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Christine Blakey
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Posted - 30 Jul 2010 : 10:59:45
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I do believe that every business in the town will be happy to welcome the tall ships like Secret Squirrel. In fact I think the same as a resident representative!
However it is about a week away and I returned to Hartlepool last night noting the new signs which are at ground level as you come in on the 179. I am delighted that the Headland Carnival is mentioned on the signs and I even have a feeling it is the Headland Carnival group who have put the signs out?
However the yellow signs for the tall ships look like it is a sign to point out a diversion! So ugly and with three years planning, so disappointing!
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no6bus
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Posted - 31 Jul 2010 : 09:37:08
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Originally posted by Christine Blakey
I actually think you need to plan your exit MoW as form what I have heard, there is gonna be grid-lock possibilities going out of the town before the event!
Loads of local people have not believed the hype thrown at us and they are doing exactly what you are doing and getting out to avoid it like the plague!
I actually feel very annoyed about the false information that it is the biggest free event of the year. It is in no way free with the costs that people will pay from stalls and stands given that they will need to make lots of money to pay the ground rent for a start!
As much as I am trying to be confident about the event, I just think it is unfair to market it as free when it will exclude a number of deprived or disadvantaged families who will not be able to afford the park and ride, refreshments and other goodies on offer.
Surely with three years planning, they could have looked at some funding bid that would allow support for those families who cannot afford to come to this free event!
One thing I am very happy to credit Dock Fest with was the sheer number of people from Hartlepool that came along. It far outweighed tourists coming to the town and that is good for local people.
I really hope that when it comes down to it, local people can get to attend and enjoy the event without being prevented because of charges. Maybe this is where our local businesses could benefit as they could keep their prices the same and it will be so much cheaper than the beer tents and stalls that are being drafted in from other areas of the country.
In this case, I have my fingers crossed that businesses around Hartlepool such as bars, restaurants, shops and market traders will get a much needed boost.
ok here goes
IT IS FREE because there is no admission charge
you talk about deprived and disadvanted families not affording the park and ride BUT THEY CAN AFFORD A CAR TO PARK ?
do the shops restaurants bars down the marina have offers on the rest of the year for these families of course they dont
there is nothing to prevent the people from the town from attending the tall ships event make your way to the marina, deep water berth and look at the ships take in the sights and enjoy
i realise you have failed to get elected onto the posts you have put yourself up for but you need to move on and not spend so much time trying to find fault.
it cant be good for you |
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Head_Lander
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Posted - 31 Jul 2010 : 13:11:29
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it will exclude a number of deprived or disadvantaged families who will not be able to afford the park and ride, refreshments and other goodies on offer.
The deprived and disadvantaged in this town are better off than some workers.....I agree with the sentiment that if they can afford something to park they can afford the park and ride.
There are young families in this town that are good workers but never get any advantage to help them.
Anyway...I thought that such a ridiculous comment. Everyone can walk and whether you can afford to buy from stalls or rides....you can look and enjoy the ships.
The town hasn't taken ALL it's residents into consideration which is my moan..my Dad can't move his car from his Marina flat as he can't get back to it, he can't park on Greenland Road and walk over because of mobility issues. I live on the Headland and heaven knows how it will pan out for me....
The best free event in the UK...that I think I may be excluded from..
Oh..and  NOComment....will you please, for just one day, take a  Happy Pill! |
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mk1
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Posted - 31 Jul 2010 : 13:48:29
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Originally posted by no6bus
ok here goes
IT IS FREE because there is no admission charge
It is not free if you are a council tax payer in Hartlepool. This is because the Council, on my behalf, are paying for it.
It may be free for those out of towners but it isn't free for residents of Hartlepool.
Is that clear?
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Originally posted by no6bus
i realise you have failed to get elected onto the posts you have put yourself up for but you need to move on and not spend so much time trying to find fault.
it cant be good for you
You need to get over your problems with Christine. It cant be good for you. |
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Christine Blakey
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Posted - 31 Jul 2010 : 19:58:36
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There is quite a diverse range of people that can drop within the description of disadvantaged and deprived. Simply put, there will be some hard working families who (when all costs from start to finish are put together) are priced out!
Yes there are some things you can get for free here, like a trip to see the boats who berth all year round! There is nothing better than hearing the clinking of sails and that costs nothing, you don't even have to wait for the Tall Ships for that!
I think Head_Lander coins it nicely, individuals have not been considered as much as is needed and I hope your father manages to get through it with some ease. This is four days that may seem like four years for some people.
I will be delighted (as I was with Dock Fest for what it brought for local people) if it all goes smoothly, local businesses do well and local people are not disadvantaged. Yes, it will be a spectacle to see and I hope many people see it from our town and beyond.
Not long to go now, I hope businesses and people enjoy it and get the best from it! It is set to be a very interesting read on HTH next week! |
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YouStandCorrected
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Posted - 01 Aug 2010 : 20:10:55
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Originally posted by Mate_of_Wilf
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Originally posted by Christine Blakey
I have my fingers crossed that businesses around Hartlepool such as bars, restaurants, shops and market traders will get a much needed boost.
I've been told many times that I don't appreciate the finer points of finance but surely a bank would tell me to get lost if I went to them with a business plan that identified as a key part of my sales or marketing strategy a one off event like the Tall Ships? How can you build a viable business on the back of 4 good days? Wouldn't 10 events each attracting 100,000 people be better than 1 event attracting 1,000,000 or 50 event's each attracting 20,000 even better? Why didn't the Council put the £3,000,000 into something sustainable on a smaller scale? I was at Hartlepool train station yesterday and the big hoardings welcoming travellers to Hartlepool Tall Ships 2010 look very nice but in just over 2 weeks they will be out of date and will need to come down. Nothing will look more pathetic than these hoardings still being there after the event. Surely more generic "welcome to Hartlepool" signs would have brightened up the place and have had a longer life than a couple of weeks? Forward planning? What's that?
Yes, I think you are missing the mark a bit here. In this recession many small businesses are cash strapped and breaking even (or in the red) and only making enough money to keep the doors open and pay staff. They can't afford improvements, marketing, etc. which requires extra cash many businesses don't have.
If these businesses make a killing over the 4 days it will provide them with much needed cash infusions to improve their businesses. Savvy businesses will turn that cash boost into long term assets like new equipment or updating marketing and sales materials. With good planning and investment small businesses in Hartlepool can turn any tourist money into ways to sustain their business. It is like a small business loan with no repayment or interest.
My concern is that because the "tall ships village" has been crammed into an area far from the majority of the town's businesses there might be less tourist footfall in local businesses than promised. |
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not4me
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Posted - 01 Aug 2010 : 22:34:17
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Christine Blakey
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Posted - 01 Aug 2010 : 22:41:56
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I think the reason that the banks would laugh you out of the building is because the event is organised as YSC notes, without the real drive to get people into the shopping centre though I am aware that Middleton Grange has been encouraged to put on their own activities to drive trade through.
However, with a lack of business and as pointed out on another thread, the fact the Argos has gone elsewhere on Anchor Park, that is another reason not to visit Middleton Grange. I really feel for the little businesses in there and those staff involved. There are some excellent staff but the lack of customers is making it harder to pay the high rents and rates. Pay parking is a definite problem as look where Argos is going, where it's free to park?
I think we have to do all we can to absorb anything positive about Tall Ships. I hope the weather holds out, that the travelling around is not too big of an issue and that lots of people do come along to see the ships.
Sadly, the purple sign has been damaged yet again where someone is trying hard to make the 'P' a 'T'. I really hope that is not an omen! |
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YouStandCorrected
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Posted - 01 Aug 2010 : 22:51:27
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| I think you're right, the vendors with stalls in the "village" will do the best. The park and ride scheme buses the visitors straight past the town's shops. There is no incentive for visitors to explore Hartlepool beyond the tall ships village and no care was taken by the organisers to design the site to encourage visitors to visit local businesses. The only "tourist traffic" the local businesses will get is from visitors staying in hotels in the town or maybe in the caravan sites, and I hope its enough to give them a boost. |
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YouStandCorrected
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Posted - 01 Aug 2010 : 22:56:32
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Originally posted by Christine Blakey
I think we have to do all we can to absorb anything positive about Tall Ships. I hope the weather holds out, that the travelling around is not too big of an issue and that lots of people do come along to see the ships.
I agree Christine, its really easy to see all the things that can (and probably will) go wrong, and I will admit I need to try to look at it more positively and hope that this can still come out as a positive for the town despite the problems. Now that the plans are in place, all we can do is hope for the best and try to enjoy ourselves. |
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